Question About God - Page 2

willcrow91 · #11 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 04:04 AM

Shankist should be commended. he is THAT much closer to being an atheist.

Callmaury · #12 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 04:37 AM

There is nothing admirable about atheism, as it is 95% "I'm against the mainstream" and 5% misguided intelligence.

As for topic;

The childish concept that God 'creates' things needs to be thrown out. Yes, in order to have religion, the average idiot has to be able to understand it, so you put major moral and metaphysical concepts in stupid baby terms. But the idea that an infinite force literally sits around building things and crapping out ideas like any other human being is, well, a humanization of a deity, and therefore, why I think the major religions are bogus. I doubt the same concept that embodies the forces of time, physics, and material existence is the same dude that told us there are exactly 10 rules we have to follow, must skip meat on certain days, and gather in at least of group of four in a building every Sunday. One of those is high metaphysical thinking, the other is the average man's superstition built up over centuries of desperation.

If there is a great, infinite deity, it does not control anything. It simply is everything. That's all there is, and any lesser explanations (such as some fucking cocky bastard sitting in the clouds, letting certain people in, giving cool people virgins) are simple human rationales, neither worthy of worship nor belief. I refuse to worship just because something supposedly controls everything, in the hopes it will let me grow closer to it or go to heaven or some bullshit. I realize the point of, say, Christianity is that Jesus died so every can get a shot at redemption and therefore heaven, and that to not take his offer would be to make his sacrifice be in vain, but I think he would be much more proud if we stopped this stupid bullshit and made honest personal efforts regardless of (as I've said before) whether there is or is not a god.

Ready2Wear · #13 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by willcrow91

then, in a hypothetical situation where there was a god, id have to say he should have damn good control over his/her creation.

If God cannot create something which he has no control over, then that is a limitation on his powers. But by definition, God is omnipotent (Or all powerful). He should be able to create anything.

Odin · #14 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 07:37 AM

What you're saying is, essentially, "Could God create a rock so heavy not even he can lift it?"

What you're doing, however, is applying finite means to an infinite being. It doesn't work that way.

How does it work? If I knew that, I wouldn't be sitting here, I'll tell you that much.

Shankist · #15 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 06:01 PM

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

I honestly don't care if there's a god or not. He doesn't seem to have much influence in our lives besides creating the universe and I'm sure there's no such silly bullshit as souls, heaven and hell. I'm not against people's beliefs about a greater being, though. I just hate organized religion.

Odin · #16 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 06:28 AM

God gave us free will.

Why would he go through all that trouble just to interfere with it.

Bad things happen to good people because bad people exist in the world.

Shit happens.

I hate when people blame God for the evils of the world.

My POV is that God gives us a certain amount of abilities and talents at birth and then sets us free.

Example: He gives you all the wood, nails and hammers you need. It's up to you to build the house or the boat or the whatever.

josh5 · #17 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 07:15 AM

This is a good question. But God knows all and see all. As far as I know he has no control over people and what they do (he did make us cant control us (i think). On this earth we have a lot of unexplainable things such as ghost. Read the bible and ask you pastor this question.

Revellion · #18 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 07:53 AM

If there is a God who really did want all the world to be 'good', then he/it has failed horribly. All we can do is say IF about this subject. When you get all adamant on your position like "There IS a God" or "There ISN'T a God" then you are a fool.

kokekalamity · #19 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Callmaury

There is nothing admirable about atheism, as it is 95% "I'm against the mainstream" and 5% misguided intelligence.

As for topic;

The childish concept that God 'creates' things needs to be thrown out. Yes, in order to have religion, the average idiot has to be able to understand it, so you put major moral and metaphysical concepts in stupid baby terms. But the idea that an infinite force literally sits around building things and crapping out ideas like any other human being is, well, a humanization of a deity, and therefore, why I think the major religions are bogus. I doubt the same concept that embodies the forces of time, physics, and material existence is the same dude that told us there are exactly 10 rules we have to follow, must skip meat on certain days, and gather in at least of group of four in a building every Sunday. One of those is high metaphysical thinking, the other is the average man's superstition built up over centuries of desperation.

If there is a great, infinite deity, it does not control anything. It simply is everything. That's all there is, and any lesser explanations (such as some fucking cocky bastard sitting in the clouds, letting certain people in, giving cool people virgins) are simple human rationales, neither worthy of worship nor belief. I refuse to worship just because something supposedly controls everything, in the hopes it will let me grow closer to it or go to heaven or some bullshit. I realize the point of, say, Christianity is that Jesus died so every can get a shot at redemption and therefore heaven, and that to not take his offer would be to make his sacrifice be in vain, but I think he would be much more proud if we stopped this stupid bullshit and made honest personal efforts regardless of (as I've said before) whether there is or is not a god.

i agree with everything you say. im wiccan by the way

Revellion · #20 (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 07:56 AM

You're no Wiccan, lol. You're just a fluffy bunny.

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