Today's Youth

Njord · #1 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 12:47 AM

You kids really need to read this. I came upon this awesome creative piece today, while delving around the sexiness that is Askmen.com. Now, I can admit my ignorance when it comes to Mr.Mafioso, but after reading this article, he's now up there with my Favorite E-Guys of All Time - right by Tucker Max and Maddox. This rant is the best thing since sliced bread and preaches exactly what we've been saying for months.

Have fun reading.
AskMen.com - Youth Group

Callmaury · #2 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 01:30 AM

Seems to me like this guys bitching about things people have been claiming for dozens of years now, in an effort to look smarter/tougher. You know the phrase "armchair generals", da? I think this is the classic case of the armchair conservative vs. the MTV/Greenpeace/free love/etc (pick your generation) youth.

With every generation there will be the sheltered, hyper-intellectual (not as in really smart, as in really sensitive to anything thats not a verbal debate) Ivy League shooters and the tough guys who want to go work in auto shops or join the Marine Corps because they think the only good American is a sweating American. Either way, keeps my economy running!

kokekalamity · #3 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 02:21 AM

i actually completely agree with this guy. i was a whiney little bitch through all my years of elementary and jr. high school. in 8th grade i was sent to military school and stayed there for 3 years. i found out how much my parents were pampering me and i hated them for it. that school sucked ass but it taught me a lot about the world and how being a useless victim wasn't going to get you shit in real life.
when i came back from MMA i asked my parents to be more hard on me because it makes me a better person. i know that idea may seem completely retarded to some but it really helps you with every task you find yourself in with a little discipline. some times i miss the seniors there keeping me in line...
im the rock and roll clown! i do cocain!

PatrickS · #4 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 03:23 AM

These are all points I've made in the past. He gets it all right! However, he fails to mention the fact that only the immature kids fall into that group. Even though that is most of the kids to begin with. He soounds like a good consetrvative to me! Luckily I've had a hardworking dad who has helped me to realize what is really important and has kept me from falling into that catagory. This is something I see everywhere I go.

**Ripplemagne** · #5 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 05:32 AM

No offense to you, Njord, but I think this article is a total failure. This isn't directed at you, so don't feel as if I'm attacking you.

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No. When I use the word "tough," I mean tough enough to get the crap kicked out of you and still be able to go to work the next day. Tough enough to go without food for three days and still be able to wrestle a freaking alligator if you had to. Tough enough to walk 10 miles in the freezing Illinois outback to bury a guy with your bare hands.

Except not really. By tough, he means being a solid statue, afraid to show any form of emotion and getting through life by putting bricks together. Had he or any of his buddies from "the good ole days" come across an alligator, I can assure you that there would be no wrestling of it. There'd either be screaming in terror or a man being eaten.

This is a typical "old man" attitude. Every generation thinks the next is wimpy, girly, effeminate, etc. What good is being "tough" anyway? All you should strive toward is a thick skin and the ability to defend yourself if need be. This man is, actually, complaining about the world having luxuries.

Sure, big guy. Go wrestle alligators. I'm perfectly comfortable delving into the vast depths of knowledge at my finger tips and actually enjoying myself.

Why men have this insatiable desire to prove themselves by appearing "tough" is beyond me. While they're sitting like a statue, they can excuse me while I actually enjoy myself and do something so at the end of my life, I can actually say I made the best of it. And still, the majority of them won't have the capability of handling me in a battle.

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Now? Now young people think being tough is going a couple of hours without cable.

No. I just don't give a shit about being "tough".

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A lot went wrong. Somewhere, somehow, parents in the last two decades have bred weaklings, wimps and complainers. What future do we have when the "youts" of today have all the ambition of a sewer worker and the mental toughness of a finocchio interior designer?

Hold it, hold it, hold it. Since when did toughness have a direct correlation to ambition? If anything, I think there is more ambition in the youth of society than there ever was in the United States. Ambition to live life and actually make it mean something. You can argue that the children before child labor laws had more ambition, but that kind of nulls itself out when you think about it. Did they have a choice in the matter? No, they did not. That's not ambition; that's a chore. The two are entirely different.

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Think I'm exaggerating? Think again, you stronzo .

Sure, buddy. Keep trying to build that image of being an Italian tough guy with words like "stronzo". And the name "Mr. Mafioso" doesn't make you look like a tool. Totally.

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we've got the biggest bunch of spoiled brats that the human civilization has ever produced in North America.

This, I'd agree with.

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I already talked about today's youth being weak and lacking physical toughness.

Except for the fact that you didn't. You whined about how we don't put on a facade at every waking moment.

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When I was young (along with many from my generation), I didn't need crutches, a hug from my father, or to have every goddamn, meaningless accomplishment praised by someone in order to feel good about myself.

I'm inclined to agree with this, though where having crutches for an injury has to do with feeling good about yourself comes from eludes me.

Today's youth will not hesitate to bitch and complain about how tough they have it. They lose a girlfriend; they turn into wet mops suited to clean prison toilets. They lose a job; they look for the nearest bridge. Someone insults them; they need counseling to get over the "emotional baggage."

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If any cafone ever says any crap like this in front of me, I will not hesitate for one second to break his legs. Not one.

And Big Bubba in prison won't hesitate to break yours. Think.

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Another dumb trait of today's young punks is their inability to take any responsibility for anything. They are never responsible for any of their mistakes, and the "older generation" is to blame for every crack whore, lost suit button, and hurricane in the world.

While true, there is a level of balance. Parents do breed champs or chimps. With good parenting, it is statistically proven that they will excel better.

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"Get the hell out of this country before I really render you useless."

Ou, big tough guy. We've got an internet tough guy, ladies and gentlemen! A pseudo-mafioso one at that!

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ineptitude (big word of the day)

Ineptitude is not that difficult of a word in the art of diction.

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Today's youth don't want to change the world. They don't want to start a revolution or make the world a better place.

So, let me get this straight. Changing the world is better than making it a better place? Well, that clears everything up, doesn't it!? Changing the world can be good or bad. Making it a better place -- keyword, "better" -- means it is improving. Imbecile.

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They just want to listen to music only jackhammers would enjoy,

Nice move, jackass. Do you know what the funny part is? It seems every generation has an issue with their children's choice of music. And yet, as those children grow up, they still make imbecilic statements like "Mr. Mafioso" here regarding their children.

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break things and see how long they can ride on their parents' backs (or more appropriately wallets).

Eh?

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With the exception of a select few, today's generation is content to just have a job, a place to live, a Honda Accord, and plenty of money to buy macaroni and cheese. They have no drive. Unless you force them to do something, they don't do anything. And the worst part? They don't seem to care -- they have the motivation of a donkey.

Whoa! Talk about a mirror argument! Today's generation is content doing that? You've opened up my eyes, Mr. Mafioso! First thing tomorrow, I'm going to go throw newspapers at houses before coming home and playing tag with my buddies! Because that's the most fulfilling activity ever!

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Nobody wants to get their fingernails dirty. No one wants the unglamorous job. Even in Italy, they have unemployment lines from Miami to San Francisco yet job openings in restaurants, farms, factories, and fishing boats go unfilled because no one wants to break a sweat on the job. The youth in Italy just want to prance around in their Dolce & Gabbana outfits and smoke cigarettes with Monica Bellucci look-alikes.

See above. Laboring is perfectly fine if that's all you can do. By why should I pour concrete when I can be curing cancer? Try again, "guido".

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Today's youth is all about me, me, and me. How does this and that affect me and me alone?

They say to themselves, "I don't give a damn about what you think or how what I want affects you, I care only about myself."

"I'm a selfish prick and I don't care."

Yes, because teenagers walk down the streets saying that. But he proved my point, entirely. Mr. Mafioso, here, is all about the image. If he appears to be a tough guy to others, that is his fulfillment in life. Whereas Ripplemagne does not care what people think of him and works toward accomplishing actual goals and bettering his surroundings.

As I said, today's generation is spoiled, but he is certainly overstating it. Spoiled doesn't necessarily mean selfish.

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What's next? Are kids going to tell their parents not to take vacations when they retire because they're wasting away their future inheritance?

Lul. Because it's totally cool to make a worst case scenario out of the issue when it's hardly even near that level, right?

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Another problem? They're all about right here, right now. They have no patience. It's instant this and instant that. They don't have any discipline; they can't even stick to a diet for more than two days. After all, that's too much work and time, why not just pop some pills or have daddy pay for some surgery to remove the fat and lard?

I would agree with this. And while patience is a desired trait in some circumstances, it is not always so. Good things come to those who wait, but only if they get the scraps of what's left from the person who was there first.

**Ripplemagne** · #6 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 05:33 AM

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In my crew, the young Turks think they can became made men without earning their bones. They think that decades of tradition are going to be thrown out the window because they don't have the patience to earn their way into a Famiglia . "Butchering" jobs are a time-honored traditional ritual of making a name for yourself, earning respect and moving your way up in our Organization. But today's younger associates, they can't be bothered to get their Gucci sweatpants dirty, let alone some blood in their hair.

Your crew, huh? You mean the Little Rascals? That mobster gimmick needs to die. It's as bad as a WWE professional wrestler trying to pull it off.

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You get the impression that every single baby born after 1980 seems to be a victim of something. My espresso machine doesn't work; I'm a victim. My mother gave me too much food as a kid and made me fat; I'm a victim. My schoolteachers didn't support me when I was a clown in school; I'm a victim. Just shut the f*ck up.

This, I agree with in full.

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The only thing that today's youth are victims of is their own stupidity. Yeah, yeah, it isn't everybody, but it's a lot of people.

Lul. Because the macho men from the 60s, 70s and 80s were so much more intelligent than today's youth, right? Sure.

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One of the keys to my Organization and any other legitimate business is respect for the hierarchy within a business. You don't talk back to people who sit on top of the volcano (mob term). The Boss is the Boss and you are not, so go back to your cubicle and shut up.

This from Mr. Tough Guy? I'm shocked! I thought you would break the leg of anyone who dared to give you shit?!

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Elders and people in a position of authority deserve respect.

No, they don't. They deserve respect if they earn it. And I don't give anyone respect who has not earned it.

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I hate taxes. My readers know this. But I can't escape paying some taxes, and as much as I hate it, I realize that someone has to pay for the roads and the nice parks where my mistresses and I "play." What I hate though, is how our welfare system works.

We pay people to do nothing and be lazy. That's what welfare is. People get money and don't have to do anything to earn it. Many "youts" are discovering this little loophole in our great little country.

I've always said that anyone on welfare should do some type of work during the week or risk not getting anything. Go clean dog crap off the floor, clean the vomit from public toilets. Do something to contribute to the world. Let the youth of America know there is no easy way out of life's tough blows. But never give money away for free -- it's unearned and undeserved.

I won't get into the issue of Social Welfare as it will spring a gigantic debate, but is this guy serious? Welfare ran rampant in the decades before us and he has the audacity to bitch about today's welfare recipients?

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Not only do youths today have no respect for anyone, they have no etiquette either.

Let me ask you a question. What purpose does etiquette serve? It is but a mere relic of the rules set by an English King centuries ago. Forks on the left and knives on the right, sit up straight, don't slouch. Honestly, it's stupid. If it's disturbing to someone else (like eating with your mouth open, for example) then don't do it. But guidelines set to how one should act is idiotic.

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They dress like bums, eat like bums,

Baseless argument.

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and can't possibly begin to appreciate the finer things in life.

Like what? Pouring concrete? Oh yes... I see the error of my ways. I will stop reading about quantum mechanics, thermodynamics and history and build a house, first thing tomorrow morning! And I'll wrestle an alligator afterwards.

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hey don't know the difference between Chianti and Cabernet,

Ah! Yes, because alcohol... yes, alcohol, ladies and gentlemen... is one of the finer things in life! Dear me! And all this time that I've wasted not spending my days drinking something that will, one day, destroy my liver! I must be crucified!

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and the thought of wearing a suit is as foreign as Egypt.

Not really, but I never saw wearing a suit as anything special. I never really saw the purpose.

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Maybe I'm old, but even as a 4-year-old I would take off my hat when I sat at the dinner table. If I wasn't too good to do it, why should anyone be any different?

Because you're an internet tough guy who thinks he's in the Mafia. Perhaps you could explain why wearing a hat at the dinner table is such a bad thing. Not that I do it as it is seldom that I even wear a hat, but it is just another relic of that old English King I was talking about earlier.

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A little more Sinatra and a little less Bloated Daddy, or whatever his name is, will go a long way. Have you heard any of the music young people listen to? You'd think Sodom and Gomorrah were still in full swing. No one is inspired by the crap they listen to; it's repulsing. It makes me sick. I need to open a bottle of scotch every time I accidentally hit the wrong dial on my radio and listen to that garbage. A little more Tony Bennett and a little less Toni Cool J MC.

So, by some divine intervention, Mr. Mafioso's taste in music is, somehow, superior to everyone else's. Granted, I don't like much rap, it's a pretty baseless argument to state that his likes are superior to someone else's. It's not a debatable argument. There is opinion and opinion. Only immature horde-clingers debate musical genres.

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1- Be strict, be evenhanded, but never bend. Your rules are non-negotiable; make no exception with your kids and they will learn discipline. Never show weakness in front of them.

After reading that, I'm hoping that this entire article is a satire. But Mr. Mafioso is saying that you should stick to your first choice even if it's proven wrong. Good job being an ignorant whelp.

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2- Make them suffer. Deny them things. Don't give them a single thing without them working for it, even a crappy $1,000 car. Make them earn the food you give them and the clothes on their backs.

3- Smack them around once in a while. I never forgot a good smacking. You don't need a belt, but a good slap across the face once in a while lets you know who's boss.

4- Drive them through the crappiest neighborhood you know. Let them hang out with bums and people on welfare when they are young, to traumatize them into never becoming like them.

It's scary where our children are headed, but with some good old-fashioned discipline, patience, motivation, and ambition, they can be saved. All right, that's enough for today.

Yeah, that works real well. Beating your children, traumatizing them and making them suffer. Good parenting skills right there! The only problem with that is... none of it fucking works. This would be the same imbecile who tells us to break the leg of any "cafone" (it's another poor attempt of his to look like a ginny; don't mind it) of anyone who dares to cross you. But will get pissed if their child raises a hand back to them while getting a beating.

Statistically and logically, his methods hold no grounds in parenting. Learn to play, Mr. Internet Tough Guy. But not before a lovely parting gift:

Callmaury · #7 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 05:58 AM

You could've just summed it up and said that his argument points were all over the place and he got a bit hypocritical at points.

Having that said, the only lesson that can be taken from this is the lesson that humanity as a whole has been trying to develop for the past... er... however long civilization has lasted. People will be as they are shaped. This isn't a recent development. There will always be the elite few on top and the unenlightened, undriven masses. He just doesn't realize he belongs in the latter as well. He's a columnist for fucks sake. If he has such drive and determination, why isn't he the next noble, hardlining US senator or great general? I think he's failed, he's not tough enough, he's content sitting on the internet writing articles. It's easy to say how your parents raised you and how you think other people should be raised.

My father could've turned out to be a dipshit like him, and I would've ended up being your average idiot teenager, honestly. Was my father a hardass? Yes. Not towards me specifically, just towards everything in general. Yeah, when I fucked up, he usually went overboard. He got pissed off and near-violent very easily. But he left me to my thinking, my personal development, and for the most part let me make my own set of values rather than trying to raise me with the Christianity, the unthinking love of America, the predetermined conepts of people and ways of life, all that that his parents tried to instill in him when he was young. He just punished me when I fucked up, and made it clear there would be no help from him if I failed out of high school or couldnt get into college. To sum up, he instilled in me that I am what I make of myself, not what he thinks I should be, and that society will not be forgiving.

I don't think I turned out half-bad, considering I'm way ahead of most people my age (almost 4 years of college worth at 20, and real work experience, not doing some sweaty-brow bullshit the columnist would masturbate to like tuning motorcycles or something) and I don't plan on stopping. This Mafioso figure breeds tradition and discipline with his advice, but still does not encourage true intelligence and ambition. He completely missed his own point. His concept of unthinking toughness is the reason a small portion of this generation (I think youths today are more ambitious than ever, but whatever, my exaggerations are as valid as this guys) are so perturbed with authority to begin with.

kokekalamity · #8 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 05:58 AM

i think you guys are just mad because this guy is saying that children need to stop being so retarded and you don't even want to except the fact that you might need to have a little more discipline. im not saying that everything that he is saying is right but it seems like your micro managing it to specific things he is saying, not the whole article in general. i believe that what hes trying to put forth is right, but im not saying that hes a smart/cool guy because he is a little annoying

i do cocain

Callmaury · #9 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PatrickS

These are all points I've made in the past. He gets it all right! However, he fails to mention the fact that only the immature kids fall into that group. Even though that is most of the kids to begin with. He soounds like a good consetrvative to me! Luckily I've had a hardworking dad who has helped me to realize what is really important and has kept me from falling into that catagory. This is something I see everywhere I go.

Well of course it's something you see everywhere you go, you live in Alabama, where everyone wants to either be a mechanic in the military or be a mechanic in an auto shop. Lots of "hoo-yah!" real macho man, lower-middle class ideological conservative thinking, but no real ambition. You're probably not even old enough to appreciate the real work/education world, let alone make conclusions about it. Lastly, you grew up in a sheltered redneck shitstorm of a state, so I can at least identify that you are not to be held to fault, but rather, the entire society of that area.

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Originally Posted by kokekalamity

i think you guys are just mad because this guy is saying that children need to stop being so retarded and you don't even want to except the fact that you might need to have a little more discipline. im not saying that everything that he is saying is right but it seems like your micro managing it to specific things he is saying, not the whole article in general. i believe that what hes trying to put forth is right, but im not saying that hes a smart/cool guy because he is a little annoying

i do cocain

No, it's just funny that this guy takes the time to write 5 (or whatever the fuck it is) pages on how fucked up today's youth is when he's wrong himself.

Like I said, the author doesnt even get his own message.

Its not a problem with youth, its just a problem inherent with humanity at large. And his solution is neither original nor effective.

kokekalamity · #10 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 06:11 AM

it might be true. i guess i just think of it more as a youth kind of thing because thats who im usually around... maybe... but i still think that he has a good message that he's trying to put through, hes just not really doing it very well. but why do you say that its more of humanity that hes talking about because i don't really see a lot of older people trying to blame everyone else and basically trying to rule over the person that they work for. but im not saying that i want someone to tell me what to do no questions, i just want that person to be awesome because then he probably knows whats best for me

im the rock and roll clown!! seriously, a lot of cocain

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