Cutting/Emo and Thor's take on it. - Page 34

Ava · #**331** (**permalink**) 05-29-2008, 04:58 PM

Pyschedelia is the one person who understands depression. Depression is a mental illness, being depressed is usually from past trauma, or, in most emos' a want for attention.

**Ripplemagne** · #**332** (**permalink**) 05-29-2008, 06:03 PM

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Tenchi was the shit back in the day.

And stop cutting...it's bad for you.

'Twas.

And I don't cut. :P Never have.

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At Ripple:

Again, I am not talking about the temporary feeling low and gloomy. That is entirely different to "clinical depression." The former, you just need to "ball up" since it is temporary. The later, needs to be treated, and if left untreated can get worse.

Brain Explorer - Focus on Brain Disorders - Depression - Aetiology

I understand, full well, how depression works. Again, I have been treated for it in the past. But the greatest weapon against depression of all kinds is a positive outlook. If chemical imbalances are stronger than your willpower, then you are weak. The chemicals react to you. I never said that it was an easy task, but it is very well possible. A friend of mine who is a psychologist commented on the issue some time ago. See below:

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One of the first things I learned back in college was that there is ALWAYS a cure for depression. It's, simply, a question of all the factors lining up.

In this case, I'd like to say that the mind is a very, very, VERY powerful thing. Some people can focus and concentrate hard enough to will their chronic aches and pains away. Some people can simply cease desiring to live and their mind literally starts shutting down their organs with no known way of starting them back up again. I've seen the difference it can make. Even something so simple as a change of location can trigger the brain to begin thinking differently as well. In this instance, we'd be making a more positive environment for people to live in. And while I'm not saying depression is all in your head by any means; if presented enough positive stimuli, it is entirely possible for a person to simply will it away.

I'd say that's one step closer to a "cure," wouldn't you?

Psychedelia · #**333** (**permalink**) 05-29-2008, 06:51 PM

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One of the first things I learned back in college was that there is ALWAYS a cure for depression. It's, simply, a question of all the factors lining up.

In this case, I'd like to say that the mind is a very, very, VERY powerful thing. Some people can focus and concentrate hard enough to will their chronic aches and pains away. Some people can simply cease desiring to live and their mind literally starts shutting down their organs with no known way of starting them back up again. I've seen the difference it can make. Even something so simple as a change of location can trigger the brain to begin thinking differently as well. In this instance, we'd be making a more positive environment for people to live in. And while I'm not saying depression is all in your head by any means; if presented enough positive stimuli, it is entirely possible for a person to simply will it away.

I'd say that's one step closer to a "cure," wouldn't you?

Well, if he is a psychologist, then what he said definately has weight. But considering the fact that what you quoted comes from here, posted by some guy called Nomad:
Where did we go wrong? (Puppet Games Board)
I do question it's credibility.

I found that what he said is also knows as "autosuggenstion." This is one of the "psychotherapies" people get. There is also this thing called "placebo" effect. Like, when people are given a fake medicine and told that it's a painkiller. Apparently, it works.

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Originally Posted by Ripplemagne

I understand, full well, how depression works. Again, I have been treated for it in the past. But the greatest weapon against depression of all kinds is a positive outlook. If chemical imbalances are stronger than your willpower, then you are weak.
The chemicals react to you. I never said that it was an easy task, but it is very well possible. A friend of mine who is a psychologist commented on the issue some time ago. See below:

I understand that you are saying that depression comes out of choice and you can choose to not be depressed.
I don't believe that.
Unless it is just a "depression" phase that comes and goes, you know, just some random guy feeling bad and low thinking how noone understands him, I don't think people that suffer from this "clinical depression" can choose not to suffer from it. The reason I believe this is my alcohol/weed analogy and the neurochemical facts I posted before. The shit affects the way you think, feel and respond to things. Your confidence and positive outlook comes from/due to them. You lack confidence and are pessimistic because you lack them or have others that cause this.

Depressed people are people that have lost the positive outlook and willpower and sense of direction. Your willpower, your happiness, your positivity ARE your chemicals. Adding some and taking some away will change you as a person. Chemicals don't react to you and your thoughts, chemicals MAKE you and your thoughts. If you can find some positivity in yourself, without takingn for example: anti-depressants, then you are NOT depressed. That's why depressed people might seek counselling, to regain that optimism. This is where what your friend said comes in.

Finally: As to your "clinical depression," refer to Nammy's post.

Njord · #**334** (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 03:36 AM

Emotions Are Just Messages | 2KnowMySelf
Dealing with Depression | 2KnowMySelf

Miss Sarah · #**335** (**permalink**) 05-31-2008, 04:53 AM

I'm sorry but I have to agree with Thor on this issue. Despite the fact his talking in third person regarding himself is very amusing, he is also right.

ravenxtears · #**336** (**permalink**) 05-31-2008, 06:13 AM

I agree with Thor too, I don't want to be mean but... people who do cut themselves need to actually figure out that they get nothing from cutting themselves, if they want 'adrenaline' then go run, and it doesn't make you look cool, it makes you look sick and pathetic. Gosh.

Unbroken · #**337** (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:54 AM

Hey, Thor, thought this pic might fit in with this topic.

**Ripplemagne** · #**338** (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 10:38 PM

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Well, if he is a psychologist, then what he said definately has weight. But considering the fact that what you quoted comes from here, posted by some guy called Nomad:
Where did we go wrong? (Puppet Games Board)
I do question it's credibility.

Yes, that is my message board and was found in a topic from last year. And I do know Nomad off of the message board. I don't see where the credibility is in doubt. Though, I do commend you for taking the time to actually dig up where that was from.

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I found that what he said is also knows as "autosuggenstion." This is one of the "psychotherapies" people get. There is also this thing called "placebo" effect. Like, when people are given a fake medicine and told that it's a painkiller. Apparently, it works.

Yes, placebos are pretty neat. The mind is a powerful thing.

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I understand that you are saying that depression comes out of choice and you can choose to not be depressed.
I don't believe that.
Unless it is just a "depression" phase that comes and goes, you know, just some random guy feeling bad and low thinking how noone understands him, I don't think people that suffer from this "clinical depression" can choose not to suffer from it.

Ah, but there is a difference. You are correct that you can't cease from suffering from depression. However, you can, indeed, discard the impulse when it happens. I never said that it was easy. It's comparable to resisting sexual urges when they strike. Though it's difficult, it is possible.

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The reason I believe this is my alcohol/weed analogy and the neurochemical facts I posted before. The shit affects the way you think, feel and respond to things. Your confidence and positive outlook comes from/due to them. You lack confidence and are pessimistic because you lack them or have others that cause this.

The contrast here? Weed/alcohol are adding foreign chemicals to the body that are not indigenous to it.

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Depressed people are people that have lost the positive outlook and willpower and sense of direction. Your willpower, your happiness, your positivity ARE your chemicals. Adding some and taking some away will change you as a person. Chemicals don't react to you and your thoughts, chemicals MAKE you and your thoughts. If you can find some positivity in yourself, without takingn for example: anti-depressants, then you are NOT depressed. That's why depressed people might seek counselling, to regain that optimism. This is where what your friend said comes in.

Chemicals aren't the deciding factor to your thoughts. People who suffer from clinical depression aren't depressed 24/7. They fall into bouts of depression, which can happen as frequent or infrequent as is necessary. So, they can regain composure.

And if what you're saying is so, then counseling wouldn't do anything because a counselor can't alter your brain waves.

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Finally: As to your "clinical depression," refer to Nammy's post.

And in response to "Nammy's post", read my response to him.

Mumbles4s · #**339** (**permalink**) 06-05-2008, 08:13 AM

People who want attention cut side to side. People who have uber-mind-fucks cut up and down. And monkeys throw their own shit.

BRynn · #**340** (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 06:47 AM

Fuck you thor go get a muther fucking life! When someone off's themself because of your insensitive ass i hope you get slapped with karma tri fold and you feel the guilt of your rash ranting!

i cant even begin to tell you how pissed off i am about your stupidity, FUCK!

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